blocks|key|330133|text|我喜欢这个问题。我总是发现(微软的)许可信息很难摸索，销售人员也不是很有帮助，因为他们经常在推销中说些让我觉得他们一无所知的话，结果我得到的SQL服务器许可只有几千美元，并不能完全支持我的需求|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|330134|我看到的一个潜在问题是:我遇到过120天的软件评估版本，这些版本在发布后的120天内是有限的，而不是从安装开始(通常是CTP的，但出于调试目的，也包括带有IE6的XP+vhd+)。因此，在这种情况下，您依赖于MS在这120天内发布新的eval版本。您需要的所有临时产品是否在安装之日起120天内可用？|330135|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

I like the question. I've always found (Microsoft's) licensing information to be very hard to grok and the sales people arn't very helpfull either because they often say something in their sales pitch that makes me think they have no clue and I end up with a SQL server license of a couple of grand that doesn't quite support what I need

One potential problem I see: i've run into 120 day evaluation versions of software that were limited 120 days from release not from installation (often CTP's but also the XP vhd with IE6 for debugging purposes). So in that case you are dependent on MS releasing a new eval version within those 120 days. Are all temp products you need available in 120 days from instalation date?

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From the <a href="https://partner.microsoft.com/US/40016470" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Action Pack Subscription Licensing page</a>: 

<blockquote>
 The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription is designed for all businesses whose primary function is to... build solutions on the Microsoft platform
</blockquote>

So I think you're fine as far as the terms of the license go.

I'm still a little worried about your virtual machine operating systems. You seem fine with using evaluation software for that, but consider this: it's possible for fresh installs to cease to be available. For example, if some hypothetical Windows Server 2011 comes out before you're ready to upgrade your production install of Windows Server 2008 R2, your evaluations may all expire and you'll discover that the 2008 versions are no longer available.

blocks|key|331616|text|对我来说这是个好主意。我想我会加一份349美元的1年TechNet订阅，这样你就不必使用服务器的评估版本了。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|331617|我只是想知道M$需要多长时间才能适应这种做法，并修改升级规则|331618|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Sounds like a great idea to me. I think I would add is a 1 year subscription to TechNet for $349 and that way you don't have to use evaluation versions of the servers.

I just wonder how long it will be before M$ catches on to this way of doing things and rewords the upgrade rules

blocks|key|3093121|text|您是否考虑过认证合作伙伴路线。如果你有几个开发人员获得MCP认证，然后获得ISV能力，你应该能够获得足够的积分来获得认证状态。开发和内部使用许可证应该接近于满足您的需求。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3093122|合作伙伴年费低于2000美元/年。|3093123|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Have you considered the Certified Partner route. If you get a few of your devs to get MCP designations and then get the ISV competency you should be able to get sufficient points to get Certified status. The development and internal use licenses should come close to satisfying your requirements.

The annual partner fee is less than 2K/year.

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How about starting a new company that qualifies for bizspark? (Joking, kind of)

blocks|key|3093214|text|只是一些随机的问题：|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3093215|是否所有许可协议都允许软件每隔120天永久重新安装一次？|3093216|据我所知，永久运行评估软件，每X天重新安装一次在我的国家被认为是“滥用”评估许可证，因此被视为非法使用。|3093217|你确定不需要分析器也行吗？|3093218|Visual+Studio+Standard没有...|3093219|你的时间值多少钱？|3093220|例如:设置这个“每X天重新安装所有内容”设置需要多少时间。我想这至少需要一天的时间，每次你这样做...您只能备份特定的内容和设置，而不仅仅是整个服务器。因此，如果您决定使用一些新的服务器组件，则必须记住/确保在下一个“重新安装”日重新安装所有这些组件。即使在最好的情况下，每个评估期一天，那也是24个开发人员小时。|3093221|最后，我来回答你的问题：|3093222|3093223|，我是不是一个彻头彻尾的小气鬼？|blockquote|3093224|3093225|3093226|是的，你是;-)|3093227|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|12|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|13|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|M|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|N|3|O|5|6|7|16|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|P|3|-4|5|6|7|17|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|Q|3|R|5|S|7|18|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|T|3|-4|5|6|7|19|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|U|3|-4|5|6|7|1A|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|V|3|W|5|6|7|1B|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|X|3|-4|5|6|7|1C|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|Y|$]]

Just some random questions:

Do all license agreements allow the software to be reinstalled permanently every 120 days? 
As far as I know running evaluation software permanently, reinstalling it every X days is considered 'abusing' the evaluation license in my country and therefore counts as illegal usage.

Are you sure you can do without a profiler? 
Visual Studio Standard doesn't have one...

How much is your time worth? 
As in: How much time will go into setting up this 'reinstall everything every X days' setup. I would think this takes at least a day, everytime you do this... you can only backup specific things and settings, not just the whole server. Therefore if you decides you use some new server components you'll have to remember / make sure you reinstall all of these components at the next 'reinstall'-day. Even in the best-case scenario of one day per evaluation period, that will be 24 developer-hours.

And at last, to answer your question:

<blockquote>
 Am I just being a complete cheapskate?
</blockquote>

Yes, you are ;-)

blocks|key|3305912|text|因此，您每年可以节省5000美元，但却要为绕过限制、重新安装操作系统以及破坏试用许可证的预期用途而不断增加开销？|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3305913|你和你的开发人员的时间值多少钱？|3305914|把你的变通方法花费的所有时间加起来--工资的实际成本，加上这些时间没有花在让你的产品更接近上市的时间上的机会成本。|3305915|我的猜测是，它将远远超过5000美元！|3305916|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|K|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|M|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|I|$]]

So, you're saving $5k/year but have the constant overhead of working around limitations, re-installing operating systems, and breaking the intended use of trial licenses?

How much is your time and that of your developers worth?

Add up all the time your workarounds will cost you--real cost in salaries, plus opportunity cost of that time not being spend getting your products closer to being out the door.

My guess is it's going to be a lot more than $5k!

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You might be able to save ~10k/yr buying through the Microsoft store:

<a href="http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Visual-Studio-2008-Professional-Edition-with-MSDN-Premium/product/D8B25050" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Visual-Studio-2008-Professional-Edition-with-MSDN-Premium/product/D8B25050</a>

The page says it comes with a 3 year premium subscription. 2.5k * 8 for 3 years would be 20k vs. the ~10k/yr * 3 (30k).

While there are a handful of great programs for ISV Startups (BizSpark, Emplower ISV, etc), the only option avaiable for non-startups seems to be Visual Studio w/ MSDN. It's not that expensive (I was quoted $10,080/yr for 8 developers), but I'm fairly sure that we'd be just as fine without it.

We need pretty standard dev workstations (Windows, Office, VS2008), a small handful of actual servers (app, file, domain, etc), and a whole bunch of "disposable" testing servers (used to test installation/usage of the software product).

Here's the plan:

<ul>
<li>Action Pack ($300/yr, includes 10x Windows/Office licenses and 1x server licenses, <a href="https://partner.microsoft.com/US/program/managemembership/actionpack/mapscontents" rel="nofollow noreferrer">etc</a>)</li>
<li>8x Visual Studio 2008 Standard Upgrade, Retail (in the $150/ea range, <a href="http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/12712.aspx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">no need to buy full version</a>)</li>
<li>6x Server 2008 licenses, Retail (in the $500/ea range on eBay)</li>
<li>Evaluation editions of Server (<a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/bb738372.aspx" rel="nofollow noreferrer">VHD</a> or normal)</li>
<li>Free Hyper-V Server to run evals</li>
</ul>

If my math serves me right, that's a cost of ~$4500 for the first year, and $300 for the following years. And not only that, we get all those cool plastic boxes.

The downside (as I see it) is that we have to recycle the "disposable" servers every 120 days (perhaps a good thing, so we can test our installations?) and we don't get every piece of software Microsoft makes (I have no idea what we'd do with it, though).

So I'm wondering... is this a crazy idea? Am I just being a complete cheapskate? Will this actually work?

Non-startup Microsoft ISV development, on the cheap?

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虽然ISV Startups有几个很好的程序(BizSpark、Emplower ISV等)，但对于非初创公司来说，唯一可用的选择似乎是Visual Studio w/ MSDN。它不是很贵(我的报价是10,080美元/年，8个开发人员)，但我相当确定，没有它我们也一样好。我们需要相当标准的开发工作站(Windows、...

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