blocks|key|2895586|text|您仍然可以使用C/C%2B%2B为windows桌面开发应用程序，从而消除了对.NET框架的要求，但您需要确保系统中已经安装了必要的库。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2895587|关于.NET框架的好处是，Windows+XP+SP2和Vista3.0框架运行时默认安装。|2895588|在很多方面，这是微软的“开发标准”，而且已经有一段时间了。这使您不必担心将一堆库附加到应用程序中。如果您坚持使用.NET提供的所有库，那么您最终只需要担心部署可执行文件，这是一件非常令人头疼的事情。当你有一大堆库需要部署时，你就会在写更新时遇到麻烦，因为你必须确保这些更新被推送到你现有的安装程序和所有现有的已安装应用程序中。|2895589|至于“首选”，这有时会让人恼火，但在我倾向于访问的求职网站上，越来越多的.NET开发人员想要在网络和桌面上工作。8%5ED|2895590|编辑:非常感谢Orion指出我对框架的困惑。如果你使用的是XP+SP2或Vista3.0“，其他的一切都需要简单的下载或运行Windows+Update。|2895591|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|L|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|M|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|O|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|Q|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|K|$]]

You can still develop applications for the windows desktop using C/C++, eliminating the requirement to the .NET framework, but you'll need to make sure the necessary libraries are already on the system or installed.

The nice thing about the .NET framework is that Windows XP SP2 and Vista has the 3.0 framework runtime installed by default.

In a lot of ways, this is Microsoft's "development standard" and has been that way for a while. This allows you to not worry about having a bunch of libraries tacked onto your application. If you're sticking to all of the .NET provided libraries, you wind up only have to worry about deploying your executable, which is a big headache reliever. When you have a bunch of libraries you have to deploy as well, then you start to run into hassles when you write updates, because you have to make sure those updates are pushed out in your existing installer and to all the existing installed apps out there.

As for "preferred", that always tends to ruffle feathers at times, but there are more and more .NET developers wanted for the web and the desktop at the job hunt sites I tend to visit. 8^D

EDIT: Many thanks to Orion for pointing out my confusion on the frameworks. You get 3.0 "out the gate if you're on XP SP2 or Vista. Everything else is going to require a simple download or run of Windows Update.

blocks|key|705000|text|如果没有.Net框架，就无法运行.Net应用程序。框架会处理一些比较繁琐的后台任务，所以如果没有框架，你就不能运行应用程序。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|705001|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

You can't run a .Net app without the .Net framework. The framework takes care of some of the more tedious background tasks so you couldn't run the app without the framework.

blocks|key|5150520|text|在Windows平台上，使用.NET是开发桌面应用程序的首选方式。.NET的WinForms模型是开发传统或胖客户端应用程序的一种方式，.NET的Windows+Presentation+Foundation是微软的最新技术方向。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|5150521|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

On the Windows platform using .NET is the preferred way to develop desktop applications. The WinForms model of .NET is one way to develop traditional or thick client apps, with Windows Presentation Foundation of .NET being the latest technology direction from MS.

blocks|key|5150663|text|我想我想说的是，当我查看某些软件的系统需求时，我很少将.NET框架视为一种需求。所以，我总是想知道，如果他们用.NET开发的软件，他们是怎么做到的，而不是一个要求。所以，我只是假设大多数商业软件都不是用.NET编写的，所以这就是我问这个问题的原因。希望这能澄清一些事情。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|5150664|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that when I look at system requirements for certain software I rarely ever see the .NET Framework as being a requirement. So, I always wonder how they get by without it being a requirement (if they developed the software in .NET). So, I just assume that most commercial software is not written in .NET so that's why I'm asking this question. Hope that cleared some things up.

blocks|key|3739751|text|如果你一定要避免对.NET的依赖，Mono有一个Windows版本。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|3739752|但是，无论您如何看待它，在运行应用程序的任何计算机上都需要一个与.NET兼容的运行时。因此，如果你想完全避免.NET，你可能不得不将Mono运行时与你的应用程序一起发布。|3739753|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html^0|H|4|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@$A|O|B|P|1|Q]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|R|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|G|$H|$5|I|J|K|C|$L|M]]]]

<a href="http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Mono</a> Has a Windows release, if you absolutely have to avoid dependency on .NET.

Any way you look at it, though, you are going to need a .NET compatible runtime on any computer that your application is running on. So if you want to completely avoid .NET, you will probably have to distribute the Mono runtime along with your application.

blocks|key|2895733|text|.NET应用程序分发的最佳实践是，安装程序以某种方式与所需框架的.NET可再发行安装程序一起引导，这样，如果所需框架尚未安装(例如，在Windows+XP中需要3.5+)，则安装程序将直接将其放入。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2895734|.NET运行时足够小，这是可行的(对于.NET+2.0，它大约是24MB，还没有检查.NET+3.5有多大)。|2895735|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

The best practice for .NET application distribution is that the installer is somehow bootstrapped with the .NET Redistributable installer for the required framework, so that if the required framework is not yet installed (say, you need 3.5 in Windows XP) then the installer will just put it in.

The .NET Runtime is small enough an installation that this feasible (it's around 24MB for .NET 2.0, haven't checked how big .NET 3.5 is).

blocks|key|3739812|text|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3739813|我想我想说的是，当我查看某些软件的系统需求时，我很少看到.NET框架是一个需求。所以，我总是想知道，如果他们用.NET开发的软件，他们是怎么做到的，而不是一个要求。所以，我只是假设大多数商业软件都不是用.NET编写的，所以这就是我问这个问题的原因。希望这能澄清一些事情。|blockquote|3739814|3739815|3739816|我没有任何数字，但我会猜测，由于大多数人在他们的桌面上运行XP和Vista，列出.NET框架是没有意义的，特别是如果他们的目标是应用程序本身的2.0框架。回到过去，有多少应用程序显示“需要vbrun50.dll”或类似的内容，因为它是默认安装到Windows安装中的？|3739817|此外，对于那些不太喜欢电脑的人来说，这也不是那么“可怕”。他们所要做的就是下载、安装和运行应用程序。我有几个应用程序需要2.0框架，我确实有人问我这是什么，我如何获得它，它需要我花费什么吗？我给他们的典型答案是“如果你运行的是XP或Vista，没什么好担心的”，他们似乎很喜欢这样。|3739818|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|-4|4|5|6|L|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|A|3|B|4|C|6|M|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|4|5|6|N|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|E|3|-4|4|5|6|O|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|F|3|G|4|5|6|P|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|H|3|I|4|5|6|Q|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|4|5|6|R|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]]|K|$]]

<blockquote>
 I guess what I'm trying to say is that
 when I look at system requirements for
 certain software I rarely ever see the
 .NET Framework as being a requirement.
 So, I always wonder how they get by
 without it being a requirement (if
 they developed the software in .NET).
 So, I just assume that most commercial
 software is not written in .NET so
 that's why I'm asking this question.
 Hope that cleared some things up.
</blockquote>

I don't have any numbers, but I'm going to guess that since the majority of folks out there are running XP and Vista on their desktops, listing the .NET framework is moot, especially if they are targeting the 2.0 framework in the application itself. Back in the day, how many applications did you see that said "requires vbrun50.dll" or something to that regard since it was put into the Windows installs by default?

Plus it is a little less "scary" for those that aren't terribly computer saavy. All they want to do is download, install, and run the app. A couple of the apps I have out there require the 2.0 framework and I do get some folks asking what is that and how do I get it and does it cost me anything? The typical answer I give them is "If you're running XP or Vista, there's nothing to worry about" and they seem to like that.

blocks|key|3739993|text|我认为，如果你能够做一些事情，比如静态链接.NET框架，这样你就不必开发它了，那么你就违反了微软提供的EULA！|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|3739994|这是我们为拥有如此丰富的开发体验而必须付出的代价！当你考虑回到MFC编程的困难时，这是值得的！|3739995|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

I think if you were able to do something like staticly link the .NET framework so you didn't have to develop it then you would be in breach of the EULA that microsoft supplies!

It's the price we have to pay for having such a rich developer experience! It's worth it when you consider the difficulty of going back to MFC programming!

blocks|key|5151125|text|Remotesoft提供了一个链接器--一个开发者许可证需要$1250：http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/index.html|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|5151126|如果你的应用程序将在Mono上运行(+Mono的Winform桌面支持现在已经很好了)，你可以将你的应用程序打包成Mono包，这是一个单一的可执行文件。有两个选项-默认包含运行时，但不静态链接到它，另一个静态链接到Mono运行时。您不想使用静态链接的原因可能是它会将您的应用程序置于LGPL之下；不是静态链接的包(仍然只是一个可执行文件)没有这个要求。http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime#Bundles|5151127|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/index.html|1|http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime#Bundles^0|10|17|0|0|4W|1C|1|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|P|8|@]|9|@$A|Q|B|R|1|S]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@$A|U|B|V|1|W]]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|X|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|G|$H|$5|I|J|K|C|$L|M]]|N|$5|I|J|K|C|$L|O]]]]

Remotesoft offers a linker - $1250 for a single developer license: <a href="http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/index.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/index.html</a>

If your application will run on Mono (and Mono's Winform desktop support is pretty good now), you can package your app as a Mono bundle, which is a single executable. There are two options - the default includes the runtime but doesn't static link to it, the other staticly links you to the Mono runtime. The reason you might not want to static link is that it would put your application under the LGPL; bundles that aren't static linked (still just a single exe) don't have that requirement.
<a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime#Bundles" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime#Bundles</a>

blocks|key|2896147|text|您可以考虑使用"ClickOnce+Deployment"，这使得将.Net+2.0、3.0和/或3.5可再分发安装程序引导到您的应用程序中变得非常容易。只需单击项目属性中的复选框，安装程序将自动检测是否已安装必备框架，如果未安装，则将其安装。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|2896148|它并不适合每一种情况，但如果你能利用它，它可能是相当巧妙的。|2896149|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.15seconds.com/issue/041229.htm^0|7|M|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@$A|O|B|P|1|Q]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|R|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|G|$H|$5|I|J|K|C|$L|M]]]]

You might consider using <a href="http://www.15seconds.com/issue/041229.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">"ClickOnce Deployment"</a>, which makes it very easy to add bootstrapping the .Net 2.0, 3.0, and/or 3.5 redistributable installers into your application. Just click a checkbox in your project's properties and your installer will automatically detect whether the pre-requisite framework has been installed and will install it if not.

It's not suitable for every situation but if you can take advantage of it it can be pretty slick.

blocks|key|700585|text|我用.NET+(使用C#)进行了一些编程，我意识到很多时候我渴望对一些控件进行更多的控制。这些需要的知识超出了.NET框架的范围。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|700586|例如，当我使用WebBrowser控件为web应用程序生成自动化测试工具时，我意识到在某些情况下需要来自低级axWebBrowser+ActiveX控件的事件处理程序，而文档却很少/代码示例结合了许多COM互操作概念。因此，或许对COM有所了解可能会有所帮助？|700587|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

I did some programming in .NET (using C#) and I realized that often times I craved more control over a number of the Controls. These required knowledge that extended beyond the .NET framework. 

For example when I was working with the WebBrowser control to produce an automated testing tool for web applications, I realized that there are certain situations which required event handlers from the lower-level axWebBrowser ActiveX control and documentation was scarce/code samples incorporated a lot of COM Interop concepts. So perhaps having some knowledge on COM could come in useful?

blocks|key|5150932|text|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|5150933|我想我想说的是，当我查看某些软件的系统需求时，我很少看到.NET框架是一个需求。所以，我总是想知道，如果他们用.NET开发的软件，他们是怎么做到的，而不是一个要求。所以，我只是假设大多数商业软件都不是用.NET编写的，所以这就是我问这个问题的原因。希望这能澄清一些事情。|blockquote|5150934|5150935|5150936|许多使用用于Windows桌面的C%2B%2B/MFC开发的应用程序需要特定版本的MFC运行时DLL，即使它可能未明确列为要求。我相信对于需要.NET的应用程序来说也是如此。|5150937|例如，我工作的应用程序附带了.NET和我们所需的特定版本的MFC的可再分发文件，以及许多其他所需的组件。我们的安装程序将安装任何当前未安装在用户系统上的组件。在过去的几年中，每个版本都比以前的版本使用了更多的.NET代码。|5150938|我认为假设大多数商业软件不使用.NET是不准确的，因为它没有被列为需求。我不认为你可以从这一点上准确地假设任何事情。|5150939|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|-4|4|5|6|N|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|A|3|B|4|C|6|O|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|4|5|6|P|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|E|3|-4|4|5|6|Q|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|F|3|G|4|5|6|R|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|H|3|I|4|5|6|S|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|J|3|K|4|5|6|T|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|4|5|6|U|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]]|M|$]]

<blockquote>
 I guess what I'm trying to say is that
 when I look at system requirements for
 certain software I rarely ever see the
 .NET Framework as being a requirement.
 So, I always wonder how they get by
 without it being a requirement (if
 they developed the software in .NET).
 So, I just assume that most commercial
 software is not written in .NET so
 that's why I'm asking this question.
 Hope that cleared some things up.
</blockquote>

Many applications developed with C++/MFC for Windows desktops require a specific version of the MFC runtime DLLs even though it may not be explicitly listed as a requirement. I believe the same is becoming true with applications requiring .NET.

For example, the application I work on ships with redistributable files for both .NET and the particular version of MFC that we require as well as a number of other required components. Our install program will install any components not currently installed on the users system. Every release over the past several years has used more .NET code than the previous release.

I do not think it is accurate to assume that most commercial software does not use .NET just because its not listed as a requirement. I don't think you can accurately assume anything from that.

blocks|key|700667|text|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|700668|+.NET框架的好处是Windows+XP默认安装了2.0框架运行时库|blockquote|700669|700670|700671|什么时候开始的？我不得不告诉很多windows+XP用户去安装它。是的，你可以通过windows+update下载它，但我非常确信这是一个可选安装，而不是自动发生的事情。|700672|700673|和Vista3.5已安装|700674|700675|700676|不，它已经安装了3.0。你得到了WPF，但你没有得到linq|700677|entityMap^0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|-4|4|5|6|Q|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|A|3|B|4|C|6|R|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|4|5|6|S|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|E|3|-4|4|5|6|T|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|F|3|G|4|5|6|U|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|H|3|-4|4|5|6|V|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|I|3|J|4|C|6|W|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|K|3|-4|4|5|6|X|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|4|5|6|Y|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|M|3|N|4|5|6|Z|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]|$1|O|3|-4|4|5|6|10|7|@]|8|@]|9|$]]]|P|$]]

<blockquote>
 The nice thing about the .NET framework is that Windows XP has the 2.0 framework runtime library installed by default
</blockquote>

Since when? I've had to tell lots of our windows XP users to install it. Yes you can pull it down through windows update, but I'm pretty confident it's an optional install and not something that happens automatically.

<blockquote>
 and Vista has 3.5 installed
</blockquote>

No, it has 3.0 installed. You get WPF, but you don't get linq

blocks|key|2896210|text|是的，您可以在不使用框架的情况下构建一个在.net中构建的应用程序。您可以使用ESS+dll+FuZe之类的程序将任何dotNET合并到应用程序中，包括框架dll。生成的EXE不再需要框架。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2896211|请转到这个链接：http://essaver.net/fuze.html来看看FuZe。|offset|length|2896212|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://essaver.net/fuze.html^0|0|8|S|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|O|8|@]|9|@$D|P|E|Q|1|R]]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|G|$H|$5|I|J|K|A|$L|M]]]]

Yes, you can construct an application built in dot NET without using the framework. You can use a program like ESS dotNET FuZe to incorporate any dll, including framework dll's into the application. The resulting EXE does not need a framework anymore.

Please goto this link: <a href="http://essaver.net/fuze.html" rel="nofollow">http://essaver.net/fuze.html</a> to take a look at FuZe.

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It is possible not to require the .NET Framework; there are some companies that sell (for thousands of dollars, mind you) solutions that will allow you to do this. These are complete hacks, however, and not supported by Microsoft.

How you develop desktop applications (ie, using .NET or not) depends on your requirement. There isn't a preferred way.

Most used language is probably C#.

When developing a desktop application in .NET, is it possible to not require the .NET Framework? Is developing software in .NET a preferred way to develop desktop applications? What is the most used programming language that software companies use to develop desktop applications?

Is the requirement of the .NET Framework just assumed based on the Windows OS you have installed hence why they list Windows OS version requirements?

.NET Framework dependency

翻译质量差，导致语言生硬或混乱。

没有提供实际的解决方法或示例。

解答不清晰，无法理解或解决问题。

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