blocks|key|174275|text|如果你已经用C和/或C%2B%2B完成了你的本地视窗编程，你可能会更容易将你的应用程序迁移到C#/.Net，然后在Mac上使用Mono运行它。至少一些可用的第三方.Net组件可以在Mono上运行(参见http://www.mono-project.com/Third_Party_Controls_Status)。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|174276|我不知道你应该买什么Mac+--我建议你买一个漂亮的。|174277|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://www.mono-project.com/Third_Party_Controls_Status^0|2O|1J|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|N|8|@]|9|@$A|O|B|P|1|Q]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|R|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|-4|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|G|$H|$5|I|J|K|C|$L|M]]]]

If you've done your native Windows programming in C and/or C++, you may have an easier time migrating your application to C#/.Net, and then running it in Mac using Mono. At least some of the available third-party .Net components will run on Mono (see <a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Third_Party_Controls_Status" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.mono-project.com/Third_Party_Controls_Status</a>).

I have no idea what Mac you should buy - I recommend getting one of the pretty ones.

blocks|key|353485|text|这是一个很小的市场。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|353486|f)+iMac。编辑:因为上面说笔记本电脑-+Macbook+Pro+13很划算。|353487|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

e) Its a small market.

f) An iMac. Edit: since it says laptop - Macbook Pro 13 is a great deal.

blocks|key|1580447|text|a)+..|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|1580448|b)你可以把Python和wxPython结合使用，并且是跨平台的。默认情况下，Python随Mac+OS+X一起提供。|1580449|c)+..|1580450|d)我相信有，但我不能告诉你更多。如果你使用，你会免费得到大量的第三方库。|offset|length|style|BOLD|1580451|e)他们不接受友好的alien+GUI+guidelines|1580452|1993年推出的|1580453|+Word+6.0被广泛认为是Mac机上最糟糕的Word版本，因为它与Windows+6.0基于相同的代码库。这意味着它的外观和工作方式更像是Windows软件，而不是Macintosh程序。Mac用户非常愤怒，以至于微软实际上向不满Word+6.0的用户发布了Word+5.1降级。|blockquote|1580454|1580455|1580456|f)大多数情况下，任何iMac对于编程都是足够好的。选择一个你最喜欢的，并且有大量RAM的。|1580457|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://lowendmac.com/software/microsoft/word-for-macintosh.html^0|0|0|0|H|5|0|A|K|0|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|16|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|17|8|@$H|18|I|19|J|K]]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|M|5|6|7|1A|8|@]|9|@$H|1B|I|1C|1|1D]]|A|$]]|$1|N|3|O|5|6|7|1E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|P|3|Q|5|R|7|1F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|S|3|-4|5|6|7|1G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|T|3|-4|5|6|7|1H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|U|3|V|5|6|7|1I|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|W|3|-4|5|6|7|1J|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|X|$Y|$5|Z|10|11|A|$12|13]]]]

a) ...

b) You could use Python coupled with wxPython and be cross platform. Python is included by default with Mac OS X.

c) ...

d) I'm sure there is, but I can't tell you more. If you use Python, you get tons of third party libraries for free.

e) They don't take kindly <a href="http://lowendmac.com/software/microsoft/word-for-macintosh.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">alien GUI guidelines</a>:

<blockquote>
 Word 6.0, launched in 1993, is widely considered to be the worst version of Word ever for the Mac, as it was based on the same codebase as Word 6.0 for Windows. That meant that it looked and worked more like Windows software than a Macintosh program. Mac users were so up in arms that Microsoft actually released a Word 5.1 downgrade to unhappy Word 6.0 owners.
</blockquote>

f) Mostly any iMac will be good enough for programming. Choose the one that you like the most and has lots of RAM.

blocks|key|353275|text|如果你熟悉C语言，你可能想学习Objective+C，因为它是Mac的“本机”编程语言。它也是您编写iPhone应用程序时必须使用的工具。Cocoa是Apple的主要API，它将拥有许多您正在寻找的工具。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|353276|a)阅读此帖子以获取图书推荐：https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7571/cocoa-and-objective-c-resources|offset|length|353277|b)+Apple为在中开发而开发Xcode。当然还有更好的，但也不坏。|353278|d)+Cocoa是苹果的主要应用程序接口，它为网络提供“核心”服务，如CFNetwork。还有核心数据，核心音频，核心动画，核心图像，核心位置，...在这一切之下，OSX是Unix，因此您可以访问许多unix/linux库。|353279|e)+iPhone是苹果电脑市场的重要组成部分。iPhone和OSX开发环境差别不大，因此您可以同时学习这两种开发环境。|353280|f)任何Mac对于大多数开发来说都是足够的。如果你想要一台笔记本电脑，这实际上是一个屏幕尺寸和价格的问题。但我推荐至少15英寸的屏幕。你不需要为更快的CPU花额外的钱，但你可能想要一个更大的硬盘。|353281|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7571/cocoa-and-objective-c-resources^0|0|F|20|0|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|W|8|@]|9|@$D|X|E|Y|1|Z]]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|12|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|M|5|6|7|13|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|N|3|-4|5|6|7|14|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|O|$P|$5|Q|R|S|A|$T|U]]]]

If you are familiar with C, you may want to learn Objective C since that is the Macs "native" programming language. It's also what you have to use to write iPhone applications. Cocoa is Apple's primary API that will have a lot of the tools you are looking for. 

a) Read this thread for book recommendations: <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7571/cocoa-and-objective-c-resources">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7571/cocoa-and-objective-c-resources</a>

b) Apple makes Xcode for developing in. There are certainly better ones out there, but it's not bad.

d) Cocoa is Apple's main API, which provides "core" services like CFNetwork for networking. There is also core data, core audio, core animation, core image, core location,... Underneath it all, OSX is Unix, so you have access to many unix/linux libs.

e) The iPhone is a big part of the Mac market. The iPhone and OSX development environments are not that different, so you can learn both.

f) Any Mac is sufficient for most development. If you want a laptop, it's really a question of screen size and price. But I would recommend at least a 15 inch screen. You don't need to spend extra for a faster CPU, but you may want to get a larger hard drive.

blocks|key|353566|text|我曾经教过几位有Windows经验的程序员Cocoa编程。你可能会发现关于这个主题的previous+post很有用。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|offset|length|data|353567|可可是一种与MFC及其同类非常不同的思维方式。如果你花时间学习可可如何处理事情并适应它的思维方式，你会做得更好，而不是试图找到在ObjC中实现你当前思维方式的最快方法。为Mac编写MFC风格的代码是可能的，但如果这样做，您将始终与框架抗争。我见过很多Windows开发人员都在为此而苦苦挣扎。|353568|学习可可最好的书是Cocoa+Programming+for+Mac+OS+X。假设您是一名具有扎实的OOP背景的C%2B%2B开发人员，那么这本书就是开始。如果你的面向对象背景有限，那就从Programming+Objective-C+2.0开始吧。|353569|一旦你理解了这些模式，你会惊讶于Objective-C编码的速度有多快。在我的经验中，与C%2B%2B相比，它真的是令人惊叹。现在有更多像REALbasic这样的类似RAD的系统，你现在可以用Ruby语言开发Cocoa应用程序，这可能会更快一些。但在苹果电脑市场上，ObjC确实没有替代品。在不使用Mac框架的情况下，很难开发出像Mac应用程序一样的应用程序，而且Mac用户往往比Windows用户更挑剔。|353570|我没有LispWorks的背景，但LISP似乎不适合开发Mac应用程序所熟知的那种丰富的UI。我喜欢LISP+(实际上很喜欢)，但是函数式编程的“无副作用”哲学似乎与大多数富UI目标不一致(特别是当Mac变得越来越以动画为中心时)。如果说有什么不同的话，那就是Mac编程正在转向声明式编程，而不是函数式编程(Core+Animation和Grand+Central+Dispatch有很多声明性概念正在悄悄进入)。|353571|没有像Windows那样大的第三方组件市场。其中一些原因是Cocoa已经提供了MFC没有的丰富的组件集，而且行为良好的Mac应用程序应该使用这些组件，这样您就可以像所有其他Mac应用程序一样工作。用于.NET的RadControls+(非常好的工具包)中的商业组件肯定没有什么市场。但是有相当多的免费组件具有灵活的许可证(通常基于麻省理工学院)。下面是我最喜欢的几个：|353572|353573|Positive+Spin+Media's+excellent+tabbar+control|unordered-list-item|353574|OmniGroup's+frameworks+(尽管我从来不“按原样”使用它们；最好将它们用作如何执行things)|353575|Growl|353576|Sparkle|353577|RegexKit|353578|CocoaDev's+ObjectLibrary+list+of+other+stuff|353579|的示例|353580|正如我之前提到的，Mac用户对他们的用户界面很挑剔。这比Windows用户要多得多。他们希望这些东西能被打磨得更好，他们希望这些东西能与所有让Mac变得更好的小东西结合在一起。这意味着拖放，Spotlight，服务，Applescript，Expose，QuickLook，集成的拼写检查等等。如果你不使用内置的框架，你很难做好所有这些事情。这就是为什么我建议新的Mac开发人员从一开始就开始学习框架。|353581|对于Mac来说，如果你有一堆硬件(如键盘和显示器)，那么Mac+Mini就是一个很好的廉价盒子。如果你想要一体机，iMacs是很棒的；如果你喜欢可移植性，任何MacBook都是合适的。今天的市场上没有一个Mac不是一个完美的开发盒。显然，如果你做了很多工作，8核的Mac+Pro会让编译速度更快，但我已经在13英寸的MacBook上做了很多专业开发。如果你想尽可能便宜地进入，那就去找refurbished或二手的(我喜欢我翻新的Mac+Mini)。任何基于英特尔的Mac都适合开发，至少在你开始的时候是这样。|353582|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1043820/what-programming-skills-i-need-to-become-an-iphone-developer/1044525#1044525|1|https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0321503619|2|https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0321566157|3|http://www.positivespinmedia.com/dev/PSMTabBarControl.html|4|http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/|5|http://growl.info/documentation/developer/|6|http://sparkle.andymatuschak.org/|7|http://regexkit.sourceforge.net/|8|http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?ObjectLibrary|9|http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac^0|16|D|0|0|0|9|U|1|2J|R|2|0|0|0|0|0|0|1A|3|0|0|M|4|0|0|5|5|0|0|7|6|0|0|8|7|0|0|18|8|0|0|0|5C|B|9|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|1X|8|@]|9|@$A|1Y|B|1Z|1|20]]|C|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|21|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|22|8|@]|9|@$A|23|B|24|1|25]|$A|26|B|27|1|28]]|C|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|29|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|2A|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|L|3|M|5|6|7|2B|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|N|3|-4|5|6|7|2C|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|O|3|P|5|Q|7|2D|8|@]|9|@$A|2E|B|2F|1|2G]]|C|$]]|$1|R|3|S|5|Q|7|2H|8|@]|9|@$A|2I|B|2J|1|2K]]|C|$]]|$1|T|3|U|5|Q|7|2L|8|@]|9|@$A|2M|B|2N|1|2O]]|C|$]]|$1|V|3|W|5|Q|7|2P|8|@]|9|@$A|2Q|B|2R|1|2S]]|C|$]]|$1|X|3|Y|5|Q|7|2T|8|@]|9|@$A|2U|B|2V|1|2W]]|C|$]]|$1|Z|3|10|5|Q|7|2X|8|@]|9|@$A|2Y|B|2Z|1|30]]|C|$]]|$1|11|3|12|5|6|7|31|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|13|3|14|5|6|7|32|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]|$1|15|3|16|5|6|7|33|8|@]|9|@$A|34|B|35|1|36]]|C|$]]|$1|17|3|-4|5|6|7|37|8|@]|9|@]|C|$]]]|18|$19|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1E]]|1F|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1G]]|1H|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1I]]|1J|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1K]]|1L|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1M]]|1N|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1O]]|1P|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1Q]]|1R|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1S]]|1T|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1U]]|1V|$5|1A|1B|1C|C|$1D|1W]]]]

I've taught Cocoa programming to several Windows-experienced programmers. You may find a <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1043820/what-programming-skills-i-need-to-become-an-iphone-developer/1044525#1044525">previous post</a> on the subject useful.

Cocoa is a very different way of thinking then MFC and its kin. You will do much, much better if you take the time to learn how Cocoa approaches things and adapt to its mindset rather than trying to find the quickest way to implement your current way of thinking in ObjC. It is possible to write MFC-style code for Mac, but you will always be fighting the framework if you do. I've seen a lot of Windows developers struggle with this.

The best book to learn Cocoa is <a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0321503619" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X</a>. Assuming you are a C++ developer with a solid OOP background, this is the book to start with. If you have limited Object Oriented background, then start with <a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/0321566157" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Programming Objective-C 2.0</a>.

You would be amazed how fast Objective-C can be to code once you understand the patterns. It really can be stunning compared to C++ in my experience. There are more RAD-like systems like REALbasic, and you can develop Cocoa apps in Ruby now which can be a bit quicker. But there really is no substitute in the Mac market for ObjC. It's hard to make an app that works like a Mac app without using the Mac frameworks, and Mac users tend to be much fussier about such things than Windows users.

I have no background in LispWorks, but LISP seems a terrible language for developing the kind of rich UIs that Mac apps are known for. I like LISP (quite a lot actually), but Functional Programming's "no side effects" philosophy seems at odds with most rich UI goals (especially as the Mac UI becomes more and more animation-centric). If anything, Mac programming is moving towards Declarative rather than Functional programming (Core Animation and Grand Central Dispatch have a lot of Declarative concepts creeping in).

There is not as large a third-party component market as there is for Windows. Some of this is because Cocoa already provides such a rich set of components, which MFC does not, and because well-behaved Mac apps are expected to use those components so that you work like all other Mac apps. There is definitely little market for commercial components in the vein of RadControls for .NET (very nice toolkit, that one). But there are quite a few nice free components out there with flexible licenses (generally MIT-based). A few of my favorites:

<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.positivespinmedia.com/dev/PSMTabBarControl.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Positive Spin Media's excellent tabbar control</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">OmniGroup's frameworks</a> (though I never use them "as is;" they're better used as examples of how to do things)</li>
<li><a href="http://growl.info/documentation/developer/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Growl</a></li>
<li><a href="http://sparkle.andymatuschak.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Sparkle</a></li>
<li><a href="http://regexkit.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">RegexKit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?ObjectLibrary" rel="nofollow noreferrer">CocoaDev's ObjectLibrary list of other stuff</a></li>
</ul>

As I mentioned before, Mac users are picky about their UI. Much, much more so than Windows users. They expect things to be polished, and they expect things to integrate with all the little things that make Macs nice. That means drag-and-drop, Spotlight, services, Applescript, Expose, QuickLook, integrated spelling check, etc. etc. It's very hard to do all these things right if you don't use the built-in frameworks. That's why I recommend new Mac developers start at the beginning and learn the frameworks.

For a Mac, if you have a bunch of hardware lying around (like keyboards and monitors), then a Mac Mini is a nice cheap box. iMacs are great if you want an all-in-one, and any MacBook is appropriate if you like portability. There is no Mac on the market today that is not a perfectly fine development box. Obviously if you do a lot of work, an 8-core Mac Pro makes compiling much faster, but I've done a lot of professional development on a 13" MacBook. If you want to get in as cheaply as possible, look for <a href="http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac" rel="nofollow noreferrer">refurbished</a> or used (I love my refurbished Mac Mini). Any Intel-based Mac is going to be fine for development, at least while you're getting started.

I'm a Windows (native, not .NET) programmer and I'd like to port an application to the Mac. 

Actually, I believe it will be more of a rewrite, as the original depends on many activex controls. 

As I have never used a Mac in my entire life, I'll need some guidance. O:-) 

a) What book(s) would you recommend to make the move from Win32 to Mac OS? 
b) Is there anything similar to Delphi (RAD) for the Mac? 
c) Can anyone recommend (or not) Lispworks (www.lispworks.com)? 
d) Is there anything similar to the Windows market of 3rd party COM components (so I don't have to write everything)? 
e) Anything else I should be aware of the Mac market? 
f) Oh, BTW, what Mac should I buy? O:-) (must be a laptop) 

Thanks in advance

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